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Flatpicker - Posted - 05/07/2009:  12:08:48


I think that this should be guitar hangout and not flatpicker hangout. It would bring a lot more people here. You could have sub forum categories for different styles, just like BHO has a place for Clawhammer and Scruggs. We were talking about it here flatpickerhangout.com/pages/fo...C_ID=8384

Austin
:::==(o }

pastorharry - Posted - 05/08/2009:  14:22:58


Agreed-being a bit more of a finger picker myself.

Isaiah 38:20

schlange - Posted - 05/08/2009:  16:39:49


Mulling it over... :-)

Eric Schlange
Flatpicker Hangout Webmaster

banjo_brad - Posted - 05/08/2009:  19:45:09


Actually, Eric, I think it might be a good idea, but it should at least indicate "Acoustic Guitar". I'd prefer not to get the electric crowd in here.

Just my opinion.

Brad

kentucky blaise - Posted - 05/08/2009:  21:48:36


quote:
Originally posted by banjo_brad

Actually, Eric, I think it might be a good idea, but it should at least indicate "Acoustic Guitar". I'd prefer not to get the electric crowd in here.

Just my opinion.

Brad



My feeling exactly.

HomeschoolBanjoPlayer - Posted - 05/09/2009:  09:21:30


Then you can make a mandolin hangout! :^)

Josiah

Country rocks but bluegrass rules!!!

musekatcher - Posted - 05/09/2009:  21:07:19


There's pro's and con's. Maybe there's a way to broaden the appeal, but keep a flatpicking-centric subcatagory? Another related area I like is gypsy jazz. I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on that too. But, there's a lot of sites out there for that, as there is for acoustic guitars. There are three or four big advantages to this site for me: , 1) intersects with banjohangout and fiddlehangout, 2) ease of use with threads, pics, videos, etc. and 3) home pages with audio clips and blogs of members and 4) lots of true-blue flatpickers here.

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

banjo_brad - Posted - 05/09/2009:  21:22:02


It's tough, I agree. The site really is meant to be an adjunct to the other Hangouts, therefore really limiting it to Old Timey, Bluegrass, Celtic and other "folk" styles of guitar.

I am in no way a flatpicker, coming from a classical/finger-style folk guitar background, but firmly entrenched in Old Time Clawhammer banjo and Old Time fiddling. My steelstring guitar work is mainly limited to OT backup.

Brad

muaythaijjj - Posted - 05/11/2009:  05:38:48


cmon guys we should embrace everyone who PLAYS GUITAR PERIOD! just like the banjo players have different styles but they are all banjo players. i play banjo and guitar and i know that the banjo community is very close knit. the guitar players could learn a lot from that attitude. acoustic, electric, finger pick or flat pick we all have something to learn from each other. also the more players you have on here the better the classifieds and swap shop will be, not to mention much better advice from a lot of different point of views. just my opinion...

you put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle, put it into a cup it becomes the cup. water can flow or it can crash. be formless... shapeless. be like water my friend.
-bruce lee

musekatcher - Posted - 05/11/2009:  06:10:42


I'd be careful. The site is already open to, and accessable to all musicians and non-musicians. I don't see anything about this site that isn't inclusive, inviting, and friendly. Changing your identity will only produce a temporary increase in traffic, until those newcomers see that there is no relavance nor distinction in your offering. Remember, there are already scads of acoustic guitar sites that are well established. There are also scads of dead guitar sites that mistakenly thought they'd improve upon the status quo.

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

Mike Pullen - Posted - 05/11/2009:  10:11:02


It seems there are plenty of guitar sites, forums etc. but not flatpickers hangouts. Thats why there are so many flatpickers on this site. Make it generic and we flatpickers will over time be weeded out once again as the site evolves into something else. Why not just create a guitar hangout and help preserve flatpicking which is not exactly mainstream top 40 music anyway.Just my opinion.

slowhand - Posted - 05/11/2009:  13:09:21


For me, the appeal of this site is that it's flatpicking-centric. There are a zillion other general guitar sites or sites devoted to other styles, or broad categories like "acoustic". If this became a general guitar site, I think the flatpicking content would get drowned out, in which case I would lose interest.

I don't think banjohangout is a good comparison, because there are only a handful of banjo styles, the majority of which are related to bluegrass or old-time music. (And yes, I'm aware of jazz banjo, dixieland, etc.)

Stringnut - Posted - 05/11/2009:  17:05:36


I am a fingerstyle picker but I think it would be best to leave the name alone and keep it a flat picking site. Lots of fingerstyle, electric, acoustic, blues, folk, jazz, etc. etc. sites as well as a few other flat picking sites, too. If you let it go to general acoustic guitar then I think all focus would be lost. You get 10 people in a room playing 10 different styles, it's going to be hard to pick any one out of the crowd. We've got a nice continuity thing going here in conjunction with the other hangout sites and nobody gets their feathers ruffled when a finger picker or electric guy throws in a comment from time to time. It's all guitar and it's all good. Let's just keep the conversations going and not worry too much about the precise name of the place we all a gather and hang out.

Dan

Things are more like today than they have ever been before. - Spiro T. Agnew

Gottasmilealot - Posted - 05/11/2009:  18:03:53


Maybe have a guitarhangout with topic areas for flatpicking, fingerpicking, etc..

If you're going to go to all the trouble of running a site, no use limiting it.

Keith

Mike Pullen - Posted - 05/12/2009:  04:15:31


The main theme of this site is flatpicking and that's why I'm here.Slowhand is right, make it a general guitar site and flatpicking will be drowned out. I don't go into someone else's domain and ask them to change. It's like bringing the girls into the boys club. Anyway, if you wan't something different it's already out there somewhere. Make it a general guitar site and I'll be gone.
Mike

Flatpicker - Posted - 05/12/2009:  06:22:26


Now I think at least a "Acoustic Guitar" hangout.

Austin
:::==(o }

HuntleySlim - Posted - 05/12/2009:  08:11:56


I also only come to this site because it's flatpick centred. I can go to all sorts of other sites to find acoustic guitar info, but I know I'll get some straight answers and some good chat about my flatpick questions. (I have no problem with folks discussing other styles, just don't think we need to water down the original title)

So what if the forum may be slow from time to time? It happens to all forums, especially those with a smaller poster base, which I think makes it a more enjoyable forum. I don't go to huge bars full of people to hang out on weekends, I go to small pubs and hang out with a few friends. Same thing I try to do on the internet.

I think someone mentioned in this thread, or another, that what we need is more questions, and more discussions.


Edited by - HuntleySlim on 05/12/2009 08:12:43

Gottasmilealot - Posted - 05/15/2009:  18:28:55


Flat picking wouldn't be neglected unless people here chose to neglect it, which I doubt would happen. I think it would be more the case of finger picking being added. I think keeping it acoustic is desirable.

Keith

Tahoepicker - Posted - 07/02/2009:  21:41:53


Acoustic Guitar ...I second that!

Pick it up...

Greg Connor - Posted - 10/20/2009:  17:50:34


I just noticed this topic. I posted a similar topic on the "Sound Off" forum.

I would like to see the site openned up to several forms of acoustic guitar. I wonder if there is a way of doing it without taking away the things flatpickers like about the site?


Edited by - Greg Connor on 10/20/2009 17:52:03

Dixie Dreg - Posted - 01/05/2010:  11:28:39


Banjo Hangout.........43853 members since 2000........roughly 4385 members/year
Fiddle Hangout...........6333 members since 2007.......roughly 2111 members/year
Flatpicker Hangout.....2623 members since 2008........roughly 1312 members/year
ResoHangout..............2256 members since 2008........roughly 1128 members/year

I was just curious why the disparity in numbers of members to the various hangouts. If you walk around virtually any jam session you will notice by far the majority of instruments will be guitar, probably followed second by banjo, then mandolin (which isn't represented here), and the occasional fiddle or dobro player. Yet, looking at the statistics above, this doesn't seem to mirror the reality of the musical situation. FPHO has barely more members than ResoHangout over relatively the same period of time and you very rarely see a proportional amount of dobroists at jam sessions. The Drum and Bass Hangouts are so brand new, that their low numbers are understandable, though I've never seen a drummer at a bluegrass or old-time jam session in my life. Regardless, it seems clear that the banjo and fiddle hangout sites are benefiting the most from having larger resources of materials for musicians there to draw from. I find this ironic, considering guitar has such a rich history, yet it seems to be underrepresented here by comparison and I can't help wondering why. As the old saying goes, "when everyone benefits, everyone benefits", but banjo players seem the clear winners when it comes to this format.

nickster - Posted - 01/06/2010:  05:18:09


I don't think there is anything wrong calling it "Flatpicker Hangout". It implies to me it's for acoustic guitar players. Just my 2 cents worth.

Nick

ccravens - Posted - 01/06/2010:  05:51:57


This thread had been dead for 2 months - do we really need to have/start up this debate again? Some people got their feelings hurt last time and left the forum because of it. Eric already gave his opinion on the whole subject, and locked the other thread. Maybe we should just let sleeping dogs lie.

Dixie Dreg - Posted - 01/12/2010:  10:54:20


Hear me on this, my friends: There's danger in excessively precise definitions; the danger is that once defined, somebody will come along who wants the thing to remain that way. They'll form a club with rules, and nominate themselves to preside over your obedience to those rules. With flatpicking, it isn't just what it originally was, it's also what it's becoming. That's the real trip ... stand back and watch it go from an obscure technique practiced in previous years by a bunch of us hairy-armed males with a bluegrassy chip on our shoulders, to become a world music that includes soloists, international demographics, great female flatpickers, new kinds of music, and variations on the FTSS guitar theme. But for god's sake don't draft a bunch of rules for it: It's my guitar and I'll play what I want to.

Dan Crary
2 April 2001

ccravens - Posted - 01/12/2010:  11:20:34


I agree with the Dan crary quote. We should celebrate all kinds of flatpicking on this site, from both men and women, young and old. From Django to Molly Tuttle.

Flatpicking rules, and so does Flatpicker Hangout!

Brian T - Posted - 01/14/2010:  12:17:57


Eric indulges the game-players with a little sandbox of their own in these sites that he's built. Never seems to contribute much to my playing skills. Make a space for the fingerpickers. The classical guitar flatpickers, Make a space for the Acoustic Guitar Anythings. Why? I think that the greater the general membership, the more encouragement and knowledge is offered to all of us. Nose-pickers and nit-pickers hardly welcome.
Although he may lurk in the Banjo Hangout, I dont' see anybody on Bela Fleck's case for playing a Deering Crossfire!

ccravens - Posted - 02/02/2010:  09:41:19


[/quote] If you dont change the water in the tank once in a while the big fish die . Maybe the dogs are not sleeping yet.
[/quote]

You missed the other thread where Eric decided to keep things the way they are, and locked the discussion about changing it. I'm happy to have it Flatpicker Hangout. Doesn't mean other styles can't be discussed and come into play, just that the site will remain centered around flatpicking.

SLKmartin - Posted - 02/02/2010:  11:04:18


Oh I see, If its locked I"ll have to take your word for it. So this has been decided by the Webmaster .Is that why there are all thoes little genre thingys? so its called Flatpicker hang out but other styles are welcome , That seems ok


Edited by - SLKmartin on 02/02/2010 11:20:38

SLKmartin - Posted - 02/03/2010:  06:02:41


Just one more question and then its off to other forums: what does act Responsibly, Mean exactly ....I,ve read the rules and I expect to be courtious, I,ll not post Copy writed material.....Did i miss the aything?


Edited by - SLKmartin on 02/03/2010 06:03:36

Dixie Dreg - Posted - 02/03/2010:  09:10:36


From the main page:

About this Site

The mission of the Flatpicker Hangout is to become the world's most comprehensive flatpicked guitar resource. We're doing it by bringing the world's flatpickers together with powerful community-building tools created for musicians, by musicians

Actually, if you notice comprehensive is a key term there as well as created for musicians by musicians, so that leaves a lot of room for interpretation, ultimately the direction will go where the musicians want to take it, not simply the wishes of one or two people.

The acting responsible thing is where you wouldn't want to say something like someone was a friggin pig, etc., and thereby have your account locked over it.

SLKmartin - Posted - 02/03/2010:  09:14:12


Oh , I see Past Problems .....I got it........No worries

ccravens - Posted - 02/04/2010:  06:33:19


Funny how folks can read anything into a word or sentence. I would have used my bold command to emphasize the site's goals a little differently:

The mission of the Flatpicker Hangout is to become the world's most comprehensive flatpicked guitar resource. We're doing it by bringing the world's flatpickers together with powerful community-building tools created for musicians, by musicians.

I also disagree that 1 or 2 members can change the direction of the site, or that the direction will go where the musicians want to take it. The direction will go where the moderator/owner of the site wants it to. And he started it and named it "Flatpicker" Hangout for a reason. If I can't accept that, I will quietly shut down my account and move on. But I won't try to persuade others that it should be changed from what the originator intended.

Democracy and the free enterprise system give us so may choices! No need to stir up controversy where none previously existed. I have the freedom to go somewhere else, or even start my own site if I'm not happy with the site I'm currently a member of! No controversy, no worries, no disagreements. And everyone lives longer in the end.

Dixie Dreg - Posted - 02/04/2010:  08:10:46


Well, as someone recently said, just because something is done by a flatpicker doesn't mean anything, and ratings here don't either, so ultimately it will be shaped by what people want, with their own voting options, and what they say such as ranting about things such as this previous poster:

quote:
Imagine! "Even Doc Watson has gotten a one star rating here." That's almost like saying that everything Doc Watson does gets five stars just because he's Doc Watson. I, for one, feel that the Knights in White Satin video was painful to listen to. Sorry, I just can't find the magic in it. It doesn't mean I don't like Doc Watson. I like a fair percentage of his music quite a bit. But then, I reject a significant portion of all the music I listen to. Very few artists get a "blanket" endorsement from me. When it comes to music posted by an individual, I exercise more restraint with the rating system. If I don't like something I simply don't give it a rating (unless they're trying to be stupid or obnoxious). I understand the courage it takes to post your own music and this site is one of a few places where players of all levels can post their music to share with others with "similar" interests. I wish there was more of that going on than the more recent trend of members playing "YouTube Dee Jay". What it means to me is that any person who can cut and paste a URL gets the same (or more) air time as someone who spends hours practicing, recording and performing a piece themselves. Whatever. At the same time, I'm "acutely aware" that this site has no limit on how many videos any one person can post or of what variety. And some people will inherently interpret that literally.
So, what I'm trying to say is that as a member, I have been given a voting button and I will use it the way I want to - not the way someone else thinks I should use it. If someone is posting electric jazz or rock and roll, I'm going to give it one star - even if it's great. I don't come to the Flatpicker Hangout to hear music from other genres and it's my way of having a voice.
FYI, when I post my own audio recordings I'm always the first one to rate myself as "one star" so I can spoil the fun of someone with an "agenda". (haha) To me, the comments and the friends I've made carry more weight than the ratings anyway.

Dixie Dreg - Posted - 02/07/2010:  22:28:09


Flatpicking styles

* Alternate picking
* Crosspicking
* Downpicking
* Economy picking
* Hybrid picking
* Lead guitar
* Sweep-picking
* Tremolo picking

ed_shaw - Posted - 06/01/2010:  06:45:05


If it were acoustic only, Albert Lee would be turned away, along with Chet Atkins,
Brad Paisley, if they wanted to participate. Personally, I am 66 years old and retired.
I'm not seriously saying Albert Lee is going to be turned away, but what about the
next Albert Lee? He or she could be 12 or 14 right now. Are you willing to deprive some
young one of your knowledge and help in his or her musical development that might
end up who knows where because you have some concept of the wrong crowd?
Tennessee style electric guitar picking has revolutionized American folk and country
music in my lifetime. Much of what is considered good in all music from classical to
folk is really mainly speed. As I have matured, I have come to appreciate some of
the more subtle aspects of musicianship than hand speed.


steve j. - Posted - 06/01/2010:  07:25:59


Since this is still going. Ill put 2 more cents in. I would think keeping it acoustic wpuld be mandatory. Theres a place for posting Slash tabs ,, but not here.

I do believe that on first glance & second , this site seems to be a tiny place where a few hardcore BG pickers go.
I guess theres nothing wrong with that unless you want the site to be what its called a "hangout'. Not much hanging out here , from what Ive seen.
Sorry to mention BHO, but over there it is a feeling of family , a big family.
This site here may provide some tidbits of knowledge,,, but if I want to "hangout" talk to others who enjoy acoustic/ old time music and define that term broadly ,, Ill get on BHO. No insult , just fact.

anology , here its like walking into a bar ,, where there are 7 guys at the bar ,, talking together, They dont tell you to get the heck out,, but you sit there at your table , and when you ask a question you get a Yeah, sometimes , whatever.
Thats not a place you would most likely go again.
I realize this is a broad analogy,, and I expect to get grief for it.
But I think this site could be more fun and helpful to almost all, if it was broadened. I cant understand why a site owner wouldnt want that .
Steve

musekatcher - Posted - 06/01/2010:  08:15:15


No one is turned away, for any reason from this site, that I can see. If Joshua Bell were interested in exploring flatpicking, he'd be satisfied with most of the content on this website. However, if he signed up, and found mostly Satriani, Segovia, and Emmanuel, he'd move on to a more knowledgeable site for flatpicking. Lets keep it interesting so that doesn't happen.

Likewise, if Joshua Bell's virtuoso cousin signed up, started posting violin concertos, flooding the postings with discussions of mid-18th century interpretations of romantic period retrograde and counterpoint, and decided to lecture us all that his music is as good or better than flatpicking - that would be fine. Except, it would discourage flatpickers, and those interested in flatpicking from participating. At which point, activity would wane, and Joshua Bell's cousin would move on to another site, and leave yet another dead site in his wake. This pattern has been repeated many times with internet lists over the years, going back to the gophernet. Some folks think its intentional (trolls), and others believe its a misunderstanding on the part of individuals who see the internet as a single community, instead of a nation of communities.

I'm hoping consideration of the site's mission is preserved, and respect is given to all in the process.

slowhand - Posted - 06/01/2010:  08:47:04


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.

anology , here its like walking into a bar ,, where there are 7 guys at the bar ,, talking together, They dont tell you to get the heck out,, but you sit there at your table , and when you ask a question you get a Yeah, sometimes , whatever.
Thats not a place you would most likely go again.
I realize this is a broad analogy,, and I expect to get grief for it.



No grief, Steve, you have it exactly correct. If you're not interested in flatpicking, and your contributions are not flatpicking related, it doesn't make sense to think that the majority of participants on a flatpicking website would be all that interested in what you have to say. That's no big deal. If flatpicking isn't your cup of tea, there are plenty of other places to go.

A lot of people have passed through here who seem to think that if this site doesn't accommodate all of their interests, then it is the site that should change, rather than their web browsing habits. Between you and me, Steve, I just don't get these people. They are extremely self-centered, in my opinon. I came here because this site's about flatpicking, not the other way around. Some people seem to think that if no one gushes and fawns over their singer-songwriter-type, non-flatpicked songs, it's because they're "close-minded." Well, they may call it "close-minded", but I call it "not interested."

steve j. - Posted - 06/01/2010:  09:44:13


Between you and me, Steve, I just don't get these people. They are extremely self-centered, in my opinon

That one of deals that cuts both ways though. Its obvious there are members here who would like a bit of expansion in content.
And although the quote above may have been meant as a slight to Me & the other Steve, it actually went against the other folks on here too, who have wished for a bit broader discussion.
Steve

slowhand - Posted - 06/01/2010:  09:54:44


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.
And although the quote above may have been meant as a slight to Me & the other Steve, it actually went against the other folks on here too, who have wished for a bit broader discussion.



It wasn't meant as a slight or to "go against" anyone; it's just my assessment of the situation. And it was said in reference to anyone whom the description fits.

ccravens - Posted - 06/01/2010:  10:00:08


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.


I do believe that on first glance & second , this site seems to be a tiny place where a few hardcore BG pickers go.


I don't necessarily agree, but even if it were true, what's wrong with that?

quote:

I guess theres nothing wrong with that unless you want the site to be what its called a "hangout'. Not much hanging out here , from what Ive seen.
Sorry to mention BHO, but over there it is a feeling of family , a big family.
This site here may provide some tidbits of knowledge,,, but if I want to "hangout" talk to others who enjoy acoustic/ old time music and define that term broadly ,, Ill get on BHO. No insult , just fact.

Steve



So then if you or I just want to "hang out," we can go to the Banjo Hangout. Sounds great! But if we want to learn about/discuss/ask questions about flatpicking we can go here. Again great! So what's the problem? You've got a place to "hangout" and a place for flatpicking. Both of what you wanted. Great!

The pattern is painfully obvious. Most people that come here LIKE the fact that it's centered around flatpicking (see the "Is Flatpickers site dead?" thread), but a few who are not happy with that, wish to change it to fit their own desires. If I don't like a site, I'll stop going there, and find somewhere I do like. But I won't try to change the site to fit my desires, or complain about it. I'll be a mature adult and move on, finding other sites that more perfectly meet my needs.

steve j. - Posted - 06/01/2010:  11:18:50


The pattern is painfully obvious. Most people that come here LIKE the fact that it's centered around flatpicking (see the "Is Flatpickers site dead

Ok consider that thread , if you take out ccravens , slowhand & musekatcher. I believe there is more interest in changing than staying the same.
w/o the above people , the site is mostly dead.
Look at the numbers .
Steve

slowhand - Posted - 06/01/2010:  11:56:56


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.

The pattern is painfully obvious. Most people that come here LIKE the fact that it's centered around flatpicking (see the "Is Flatpickers site dead

Ok consider that thread , if you take out ccravens , slowhand & musekatcher. I believe there is more interest in changing than staying the same.
w/o the above people , the site is mostly dead.
Look at the numbers .
Steve



None of what you say above is even remotely true, Steve.

If you don't like the site as it is, why are you here? Just to complain about it?

Not everything is about you, Steve, or what you're interested in. As hard as that may be to accept, it's just the way life works. I don't know what else to tell you.






ccravens - Posted - 06/01/2010:  12:00:49


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.


Ok consider that thread , if you take out ccravens , slowhand & musekatcher. I believe there is more interest in changing than staying the same.
w/o the above people , the site is mostly dead.
Look at the numbers .
Steve



Apparently you didn't look at the thread very closely. A quick (1 minute) look, and I counted 7 people on the first page, 3 people on the 2nd and 3rd pages, who stated they liked the way it was and didn't want it to change. A few were neutral and about 3 (maybe 4 - I didn't have time to go thru it carefully) who wanted it changed. So you may need to "look at the numbers" again.

In any event, it's Eric's site, and he has choosen to keep it FLATPICKER hangout, then complain to him. He's the one who decides, not you or I. Why is it that a small minority wants to come on and complain and try to change things just to get their way? Sounds very selfish to me.

Stringnut - Posted - 06/01/2010:  13:22:22


Just when you think a thread is dead someone digs it up and gets people all fired up again. Okay, how about this, make it the Music Hangout. Get rid of all other sites and invite piano players, and tuba players, etc. etc.....and then the "World can be as one" per John Lennon???? Sheesh, if you don't have an interest in flatpicking, then go away. If you do have an interest in flatpicking (even if you don't actually flat pick like me) then stay and hang out. The name of the site doesn't mean anything! It's the content that counts and the content of this thread is making me sick. Let it go people. Get over it. Quit trying to build your little empires. Everyone is welcome here who has an interest. If you don't have an interest, then don't try and tell us we are too small and aren't active enough and don't matter. The point is not to grow bigger until we get lost in our membership but to share a common interest in flatpicking. Even if it's only two or three of the same people starting every thread. Please don't feel that you are not welcome but why stay if you have no interest in the subject? There are oh so many different places to visit on the web. Why waste your time complaining about about a subject you have no interest in? And if you decide to stay, please try to bring something positive to the table.

SLKmartin - Posted - 06/01/2010:  20:35:59


Dont comment on my thread unless you have music posted on the site,,,,You havent earned the right to be heard . POST or go away........................ . Just Kidding folks , If you dont post You have that right . Iam all for Your rights being upheld. Keep the site alive Fight if you must but dont flame others its not nice.................................See Rules ..... No personal attacks unless you cant help it. SLKpnorton.


Edited by - SLKmartin on 06/01/2010 21:05:16

Stringnut - Posted - 06/02/2010:  04:02:23


" Dont comment on my thread unless you have music posted on the site,,,,You havent earned the right to be heard . POST or go away........................ . Just Kidding folks , If you dont post You have that right . Iam all for Your rights being upheld. Keep the site alive Fight if you must but dont flame others its not nice.................................See Rules ..... No personal attacks unless you cant help it. SLKpnorton.

Edited by - SLKmartin on 06/01/2010 21:05:16"


SLK - I'm not quite following you. My comments were in general in regards to this entire thread and not pointed specifically at you. There is nothing in the rules that state you must post music in order to comment. And you didn't seem to be kidding in the PM you sent to me. By the way, are you SLKmartin or are you SLKpnorton? You seem to be getting your alias mixed up? Used to have an Alex P Norton here. Are you related?


Edited by - Stringnut on 06/03/2010 03:25:05

steve j. - Posted - 06/02/2010:  07:44:09


quote:
Originally posted by slowhand

quote:
Originally posted by steve j.

The pattern is painfully obvious. Most people that come here LIKE the fact that it's centered around flatpicking (see the "Is Flatpickers site dead

Ok consider that thread , if you take out ccravens , slowhand & musekatcher. I believe there is more interest in changing than staying the same.
w/o the above people , the site is mostly dead.
Look at the numbers .
Steve



None of what you say above is even remotely true, Steve.

If you don't like the site as it is, why are you here? Just to complain about it?
Not everything is about you, Steve, or what you're interested in. As hard as that may be to accept, it's just the way life works. I don't know what else to tell you.



Nope thats not why. Your good at the passive aggressive statements,
I am wondering what you think the people that want some change want.

I dont think anybody wants the site name to be changed
or , to put down or ignore your style of flatpickin.

But its dang obvious from the activity ,,, that many dont post here cause ,they think what they do isnt liked . Or that it will just be ignored. And thats fine some guys ignore it. But I think some are afraid of the "establishment" & I dont mean Eric

It doesnt matter to me if you like me or not. I knew the fact I was a friend of Steve Krell would put a black mark next to my name with they guys who dont like him.

Check back most any time of the day ,, and look at the active topics.
Other than the banter about if this sites dead or how to change it theres almost nothing . that a fact whether you admit it or not.
so rage on ,, it wont change the fact that there are folks who want some change ,,, not to do away w/ flatpicking ,,, but to make it a friendlier place & site more want to come to .
Steve










Edited by - steve j. on 06/02/2010 07:45:34

steve j. - Posted - 06/02/2010:  07:51:00


quote:
Originally posted by ccravens

quote:
Originally posted by steve j.


Ok consider that thread , if you take out ccravens , slowhand & musekatcher. I believe there is more interest in changing than staying the same.
w/o the above people , the site is mostly dead.
Look at the numbers .
Steve



Apparently you didn't look at the thread very closely. A quick (1 minute) look, and I counted 7 people on the first page, 3 people on the 2nd and 3rd pages, who stated they liked the way it was and didn't want it to change. A few were neutral and about 3 (maybe 4 - I didn't have time to go thru it carefully) who wanted it changed. So you may need to "look at the numbers" again.

In any event, it's Eric's site, and he has choosen to keep it FLATPICKER hangout, then complain to him. He's the one who decides, not you or I. Why is it that a small minority wants to come on and complain and try to change things just to get their way? Sounds very selfish to me.





If I was being selfish ,, I wouldnt keep posting , Id say forget everybody , who wont speak up for themselves,
Its strange were both Texans , both apparently Woodie fans ,, but dont seem t o see anything else eye to eye ,, what would woodie think ??

slowhand - Posted - 06/02/2010:  17:07:07


quote:
Originally posted by steve j.


Check back most any time of the day ,, and look at the active topics.
Other than the banter about if this sites dead or how to change it theres almost nothing . that a fact whether you admit it or not.
so rage on ,, it wont change the fact that there are folks who want some change ,,, not to do away w/ flatpicking ,,, but to make it a friendlier place & site more want to come to .



You and the other Steve are the ones who seem to be raging on about all this, in a most unfriendly way.

If you're not a flatpicker or wanting to become one, then why would you even care if a flatpicking site is dying or not?

And if you are a flatpicker, or wanting to become one, and you're concerned about this site dying (which is a complete crock of BS, BTW), then all you have to do is post a thread about flatpicking, or respond to a thread about flatpicking. Problem solved!

Don't you find it strange that your friend, who started the most recent troll thread about this site "crashing and burning", also complained that there are too many versions of Blackberry Blossom on the site?

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