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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Crosspicking Beaumont Rag


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Tony O Rourke - Posted - 08/14/2020:  00:44:59


Readers may be interested in a video clip I've done on the subject of Crosspicking, using the tune Beaumont Rag as an example. The emphasis is on what I do with my right hand. You can view it here:
youtube.com/watch?v=fqCwtxHUiv4&t=4s

Hilly Strings - Posted - 12/13/2020:  00:37:46


Hi Tony



Excellent lesson and very timely as I am currently looking at a version of Red Haired Boy by Brad Davies through Flatpicking Guitar Magazine. There are a few cross-picking sections that I am struggling with. Annoyingly there are no pick directions in the TAB, a pet hate for a beginner like me. I have to re TAB them in Guitar Pro. How would you approach the 4th bar in the section attached. Is the first note an up or downstroke, it's implying there is a rest on the first note of the bar. Checked out your YouTube channel, very good and of interest as I have recently taken up the banjo. Regards John



Do you ever diverse from the up / down


Edited by - Hilly Strings on 12/13/2020 00:47:22


Tony O Rourke - Posted - 12/13/2020:  14:00:30


Is this Brad Davis you're referring too? I've attached a PDF of how I would pick this, with picking directions. As the tune is played in a Mixolydian Mode I don't have a key signature, there should not be an F# in the key signature as the key is not G Major but G Mixolydian. This is a very common error with transcriptions of this tune in particular, but its ubiquity does not make it correct! The basic rule is: Down ''on'' the beat Up''off'' the beat. I'm not familiar with how Mr Davis approaches his picking but he is a picker of the highest order and his approach self evidently works for him


Hilly Strings - Posted - 12/14/2020:  08:18:44


Hi Tony



Yes, it is from Brad Davis, the F# could be something to do with how I have input it into Guitar Pro, I increased it by two semitones to allow for a CAPO.



I see we agreed on the last bar of that section, you have tabbed the up-down strokes different to me in the first and second bars. What methodology do you use to establish the up downstrokes, for example in the first bar you have Down - Up - Up - Down



Regards



John


Edited by - Hilly Strings on 12/14/2020 08:19:15

Tony O Rourke - Posted - 12/15/2020:  00:28:27


'' What methodology do you use to establish he up downstrokes, for example in the first bar you have Down - Up - Up - Down'':
ANSWER:
Down for notes ''on'' the beat, and up for notes''off''the beat.

Hilly Strings - Posted - 12/15/2020:  05:39:55


I think that's is where my problem is, identifying which notes are on the beat and which are off the beat when the notation strays away from a standard 4 and 8 beats per bar, in those two examples there are 6 notes. The combined 1/8th notes are easy enough to TAB.

Tony O Rourke - Posted - 12/15/2020:  23:51:49


It will come, give it time.

Dick Hauser - Posted - 01/26/2021:  07:52:46


There are 3 ways to crosspick. If a person looks on Youtube, they will probably find instructionals on basic crosspicking. I use "DUDUDUDU crosspicking pattern most of the time.



If a person is starting out flatpicking, Steve Kaufman's "Parking Lot" series is the way to go.

3 versions, beginner/intermedate/advanced of twenty tunes, standard notation and tab, and 6 CDs. It provides a wealth of information on flatpicking fiddle tunes. Even an experienced guitar player will find a lot of useful information. I play banjo, fiddle, and guitar. And, I think this series is the best string instrument instructional I have ever used. I have a bookcase with 5 shelves of instructional material, and 2 big boxes of material.



Sells for about $70. So you get 60 lessons for $70. There are 4 books available. Book 1 is the best book. Book 2 is also good. Book 3 is about "Carter Style" techniques. Book 1 will keep a person busy for a very long time. Same thing with book 2. The CDs have recording of each version of a tune, and Steve Kaufman narratives how to play the difficult parts. Books 1 and 2 are as good as a stringed instrument instructional can be.



I am a retiree who is NOT connected with Steve Kaufman. I no longer loan these books to anyone. They are never returned.


Edited by - Dick Hauser on 01/26/2021 07:54:21

Hilly Strings - Posted - 01/26/2021:  08:25:07


Hi Dick

I managed to get the Parking Lot 1 book and CD's, it came from the US and with postage, it was a good price, less than $25. I have seen them advertised for much more.

So far I have been very impressed, I would agree, probably one of the best teaching aids available. Very concise, different levels of the same tunes, and very well described. I'll be buying more of Steve's books when I have finished with this one.

Dick Hauser - Posted - 01/28/2021:  06:51:32


John,

Do you use "The Amazing Slow Downer" software ? I use it for all my practicing. When I learn a tune from the book, and there is a new and difficult phrase, I copy that phrase to a separate file using ASD. Then using ASD, I "loop" that file repeatedly and have the software increase the tempo each time. After playing along with the problem phrase, I start playing the tune. The software supports playlists, looping, changing keys, and more.

When you start learning the intermediate and especially the advanced versions you will use some more difficult things. Be sure to try using the new techniques in tunes you already play. Study what you see and you will realize many phrases are based on chord structure.
Find the "root" note and try playing the lick in a different key. For example, if you look at the end of the first part of the intermediate version of "Red Haired Boy", you see two ending. Look at the notes, and they are the same notes, just in different positions on the neck. Simple and effective. Don't just learn tunes, study what Steve K. does, and try figuring out how and where to use his material.

If you aren't familiar with the chromatic scale and basic scale/chord theory, it is information that will make it easier to understand what is being done. Then you can apply what you learn more effectively.

Hilly Strings - Posted - 01/28/2021:  08:12:31


Hi Dick

Yes, I have ASD and AnyTune

I clip sections on my mac using Quicktime and BlackHole audio which allows me to record what I am listening to. If necessary I re TAB the section I am learning in GuitarPro 7. This way I just have the section of Audio and TAB as separate items, which helps me focus

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