Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/15/2010:  12:38:11

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Originally posted by montanaokie
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Yea, we're kinda lazy, and we don't always get right out there with the praise and comments for every music posting or forum topic. But then, we don't dance around and holler Yee-Haw every twenty seconds when we're in a jam circle either. You're lucky if someone even cracks a smile! Like it or not, that's kinda what the flatpicking community is like in real life. To me, it's part of the "draw".

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If that is really what flatpickers are like, it might explain the lack of activity on this site.
I think it's a case of use it or lose it - why join the site and then sit out the social part? In fact, this thread is probably the only thing in years that has made some people wake up. I am not sure what the answer is, I just know that some kind of change is inevitable.
Laurence

slowhand - Posted - 09/15/2010:  12:42:11

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Originally posted by steve j.

All your name calling , and negative statement , just really show what you are all about.
You are probably right , this site should become one , where people can post their "lame" songs. Where folk can share what they are doing, and how they are progressing, w/o fear of ridicule. Flatpicking or not.

seems to me this could be more a campfire setting , rather than a snob hill setting.
You guys dont seem like happy people , happy people dont act & say the thing yall do.

adios
Steve

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Steve, I'm beginning to suspect that you really resent people who can flatpick when you can't. And I think it bugs you that a site exists where those people are considered higher in the pecking order than ones who fingerpick and sing Candyman. It's not so much that you want this site to change, as you want it to just cease to exist.That's just my opinion, all part of the freewheeling discussion we're having. I hope it's OK. After all, it's not like I called you a jerk or anything.

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steve j. - Posted - 09/15/2010:  12:52:07

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How many cards are in your deck?
My youtube is posted ,,, anybody can go there any decide if I can play , or cannot. I enjoy different types of music & different instruments . I am a pro at none. I get by ok , and Im better than some , and worse than a lot of folk
But thats not what its all about , to me anyway. .
Where are your vids? where are you playing , where folk can see you and your music?

If I sit down w/ a guy who blows me away, I watch and try to take in all I can. If I set down w/ a guy who is just getting started ,, I try to show him what I can. I thought this was all supossed to be fun.

I dont have any idea , what you think this is all about.
Steve

slowhand - Posted - 09/15/2010:  12:55:45

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How many cards are in your deck?

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There you go again, with the personal attacks.

steve j. - Posted - 09/15/2010:  13:06:32

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LOL, What Im saying is which card will you play next?
Idont know why I am wastin my time arguing with you. Esp. as you say if Eric has already decided.

guitdawg - Posted - 09/15/2010:  13:35:16

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It is very easy to hide behind anonymity on the internet and hurl barbs.
The poster who does seem very passive/aggressive and the most acrimonious about the discussion raised by the owner of this site always reminds me of this: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
Definitions 1 and 2 are fitting me thinks.
(...turn about being fair play)

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Edited by - guitdawg on 09/15/2010 13:38:03

ccravens - Posted - 09/15/2010:  14:05:39

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guitdawg,

I'm not sure who you're accusing of being a troll, but I don't think that passionate defense of this site, as it was originally set up, qualifies.

OTOH, coming onto a site and trying to change it from its original intent to fit your desires would be closer in definition, IMO.

I don't see people trying to defend the idea behind a site they greatly enjoy as being trollish behavior. Prehaps a certain level of frustration is being reached due to the fact that (as long as I've been here) there have been people coming on, complaining, and trying to change FHO into something completely different. It has happened time and time again, and it really gets old. If that makes the people defending the idea of a FHO seem harsh or "angry," so be it.

One member has even gone on another website to accuse the members here of being "very argumentative" and "unpleaseant" and "folk that are very negative." The way I see it, the only members who've been accused of being "negative" are the ones who have tried to defend this site (named "Flatpicker" hangout) against those who want to change it. So then the people who resent that it's "Flatpicker" hangout can come on, cause trouble & controversy, get people riled up and mad, and then go to other sites and self-righteously accuse the members at FHO of being "mean" and "negative."

That's a neat trick, but more in line with the accusation you've made about trollish behavior than the person/s you're currently accusing.

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guitdawg - Posted - 09/15/2010:  14:28:49

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Chris,
I appreciate your reasoned response. I get both sides of this virtual argument, and have been a member (mainly in Lurking mode) from the inception. At that time I thought the focus was too narrow. The email I got a few days ago from Eric was to weigh in on a poll he has posted about broadening the scope of the forum.

There must be some reason for this.

I used to work as an pro audio engineer for a theater both touring and in "sit down" when they needed someone familiar with live sound in terms of a band. In that world, there was often talk of the "true art" and on the other side, shows that just put butts in the seats.

I see that the world of flat picking has been under served on the WWW at large. I don't see, however, that adding other sections of the forum would in ANY way diminish the draw for flat pickers. It could still easily be the great resource that it is.

Viability comes from butts in the seats.
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to make that happen.
If that is what it takes to make sure the community here continues to grow, then why is it bad?

Does a separate section of the forum NOT dedicated to Flat Picking really affect the section that is?

The only side effect I see are having to have MODS, to help with misplaced posts and keep discussions civil.

The poster to whom I referred started a particular whine to the end of his posts very soon after I posted my reply to Eric's poll (I could cite the examples, but I don't want to sink to that). I would in no way argue against passionate, articulate, reasoned defense of something you hold dear, but would hope that all here, and anywhere else FTM, would do it with respect.

What makes me wonder is when someone is exceptionally prolific with posts filled with no apparent argument save 'This is the way it has always been'

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Edited by - guitdawg on 09/15/2010 14:33:50

brokepick - Posted - 09/15/2010:  16:58:04

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Part of why the membership isn't growing is that the petty pissing matches continue unabated.

steve j. - Posted - 09/16/2010:  08:17:57

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Last nite , realizing I was feeling aggravated about all this , I decided to stop my involvement in this issue, which has become a argument.
I apologize to anybody whose feelings I have hurt. I didnt intend to originally, but things get said ,when your blood gets up , that wouldnt be ,when not. Sometimes it hard to do a Ghandi, and just let folk say bad stuff about you.
But I am going to do my best now to stay out of it. Anythin I added from this point on would just be re-hashing anyway.
Maybe it will change maybe it wont , whether it does or not , Im thinking its goin to be a bit till every body gets their feathere unruffled
Steve

SLKmartin - Posted - 09/16/2010:  08:44:58

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Exactly, This is my home. I come here for my own reasons. I dont enjoy shreading others. I dont enjoy seeing turf wars played out. This is my home, I want to Treat it with respect, help the beginners, show some joy, comment honestly or ignore the posts if I find them not to my liking. This is a growing and interesting site. I hope to grow with it. Just before I am about to type in the next passionate post. I will stop and take a breath.

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elevate155 - Posted - 09/16/2010:  10:51:46

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Exactly, This is my home. I come here for my own reasons. I dont enjoy shreading others. I dont enjoy seeing turf wars played out. This is my home,\

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LOL

DaddyJ - Posted - 09/16/2010:  11:18:06

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I come here to talk flatpicking. If I wanted to talk fingerstyle or bottleneck blues I could go elsewhere, but I don’t currently make the effort to visit other sites because flatpicking is what I’m into and I get it here, and there’s enough flexibility here that I can have the occasional good conversation about classical music or whatever if that’s what I fancy that day. If this site loses the focus on flatpicking I can see myself losing interest in coming here pretty quickly. That’s not a threat to take my ball and go home, I’m just too busy to care about a site I don’t get anything out of.

I’m also a little perplexed as to why the conversation isn’t, “How can we make this a better, more vibrant flatpicking community?” instead of, “Hey! Let’s shift the focus away from flatpicking!” There’s this automatic assumption that flatpicking is the problem. Maybe it’s not the problem.

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...this issue, which has become a argument.

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You're darn right it's an argument, what did you expect? I feel like this site is being hijacked and half the passengers are saying, “You know, I got on this plane because it was headed to Chicago…but I always wanted to go to Colombia! Come on, where’s your sense of adventure?”

The point is, we don’t care if you go to Colombia. Why do you have to hijack our plane to get there?

Scratch that, not a good analogy. Hijackers often don't have a good way to get where they want to go, hence the hijacking. All you guys have to do is a quick Google search.

slowhand - Posted - 09/16/2010:  11:43:58

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Originally posted by steve j.

Last nite , realizing I was feeling aggravated about all this , I decided to stop my involvement in this issue, which has become a argument.
I apologize to anybody whose feelings I have hurt. I didnt intend to originally, but things get said ,when your blood gets up , that wouldnt be ,when not. Sometimes it hard to do a Ghandi, and just let folk say bad stuff about you.
But I am going to do my best now to stay out of it. Anythin I added from this point on would just be re-hashing anyway.
Maybe it will change maybe it wont , whether it does or not , Im thinking its goin to be a bit till every body gets their feathere unruffled
Steve

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Glad to hear that Steve, because all you've done since you arrived on the scene here is agitate to change the site, and start a few off-topic forum threads. You've never made any substantive contribution to any of the flatpicking discussions or content. Maybe that's because you're not really interested in flatpicking. (Go figure.)

And I don't care at this point whose feathers I ruffle. I figure that it's only a matter of time until the flatpicking focus of this site is gone, and I'll be gone with it. So I've got nothing to lose by saying a few parting words to the self-centered non-flatpicking crybabies whose unrelenting efforts made it happen.

steve j. - Posted - 09/16/2010:  12:16:39

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Its great to see your true colors shing thru LOL

slowhand - Posted - 09/16/2010:  12:34:32

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Originally posted by DaddyJ
I’m also a little perplexed as to why the conversation isn’t, “How can we make this a better, more vibrant flatpicking community?” instead of, “Hey! Let’s shift the focus away from flatpicking!” There’s this automatic assumption that flatpicking is the problem. Maybe it’s not the problem.

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Dude, you said a mouthful. See this:

flatpickerhangout.com/topic/16915

SLKmartin - Posted - 09/18/2010:  19:42:02

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I believe the answer is to broaden the site to Acoustic guitar/ one area for flatpicking only. another for more diverse acoustic guitar interests. Separate Forum catagories. to see an example go to BANJOHANGOUT......Go to forums. there it is Blue grass banjo pickers co-existing with frailers, clawhammer guys et.al. and getting along just fine. Its a sweet deal for everyone and it is a win-win situation as all good solutions are......I hope you will see the wisdom and trust the example. If not there is time to consider.

un5trung - Posted - 09/18/2010:  20:11:57

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Separate Forum catagories. to see an example go to BANJOHANGOUT......Go to forums. there it is Blue grass banjo pickers co-existing with frailers, clawhammer guys et.al. and getting along just fine. Its a sweet deal for everyone and it is a win-win situation as all good solutions are

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Yes, good idea. Nice compromise.

Duffy - Posted - 09/19/2010:  06:27:34

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I am new here @ FPHO..this has now become my most frequented spot on the net!
why?..because I am new to Flatpicking!! and need the resource and friendships that this "Flatpicking community" has to offer...I have been playing guitar for a long time ...acoustic and electric...if I wanted to find this for rock or blues or jazz...well... I would go to their websites ( and there are a lot of them I might add ) I have found that there are only a few sites that are "Flatpicking" related! and besides this site already has an alternative in the..."NON-Flatpicking-related section of this forum! I hope I am not stepping on anybodies toes!
Lets keep this "Flatpicking-Hangout " what it is...
Duffy

steve j. - Posted - 09/19/2010:  10:16:59

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I made a short flatpicking video for you, since I am being described as a non-flatpicking , flatpick hater .
This isnt true. I am rusty though , as you will see in vid , havent been flatpicking much at all lately.

Sorry its not Blackberry Blossom
Maybe Joe Clark will do

youtube.com/watch?v=NPeLNnM4OkE
Steve

SLKmartin - Posted - 09/27/2010:  07:40:44

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Originally posted by schlange

DaddyJ--once again, no sense in getting angry over people saying they support a name/mission change, since that was the question I asked. If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at me, I guess!

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Thoes that disagree with the Stalwerts are very welcome here. There is no excuse to continue suggesting that folks ,who want change just leave the site. How more clear can that be? .

ccravens - Posted - 09/27/2010:  08:17:52

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Noone has posted to this thread in 8 DAYS, people are tired of this arguing and agitation, and you want to come on and keep the thread alive? You want to keep things stirred up? WHY?

And this weekend you post a rock/blues video that had NOTHING to do with flatpicking at all. It wasn't even "acoustic guitar" related. Why? Just to keep things stirred up even more? Get folks mad & upset? What is your problem?

Do you not get enough attention at home? Do you need attention so bad that even NEGATIVE attention is good?
That you need to bump a controversial thread that's been dormant for 8 DAYS?

Have you not seen enough of other people's comments about you to get the hint? This trollish behavior is getting TIRESOME.

brokepick - Posted - 09/27/2010:  08:42:12

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Trolls are encouraged by responses. That is what they post for, to get responses.
If no one responds to a troll, then the troll will give up and move on.

slowhand - Posted - 09/27/2010:  09:12:52

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I think Steve's upset that no one pays any attention to the songs he posts here. So, give him the attention he craves by going here:

c1.ezfolk.com/StephenKrell/

Open an account, and rate all of his songs. But don't give them a 1 rating, because that would absolutely drive him nuts!

ccravens - Posted - 09/27/2010:  09:21:36

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Trolls are encouraged by responses. That is what they post for, to get responses.
If no one responds to a troll, then the troll will give up and move on.

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You are absolutely correct. But something about boorish, trollish, rude behavior that gets my gizzard and makes it VERY hard for me not to respond!

I guess if I gave him no attention, that might help. But I doubt it.

Paypal anyone?

Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/28/2010:  09:34:57

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I think that this should be guitar hangout and not flatpicker hangout. It would bring a lot more people here. You could have sub forum categories for different styles, just like BHO has a place for Clawhammer and Scruggs. We were talking about it here flatpickerhangout.com/pages/fo...C_ID=8384

Austin
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Just in case anybody lost track, this was what the original post was about.

slowhand - Posted - 09/29/2010:  09:47:50

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Oh yah its about the future of this site, not the wrangling . Ido apologize for my loss of focus. I think this site should be Acoustic Guitar Hangout

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I think Steve's upset that no one pays any attention to the songs he posts here. So, give him the attention he craves by going here:

c1.ezfolk.com/StephenKrell/

Open an account, and rate all of his songs. But don't give them a 1 rating, because that would absolutely drive him nuts!

ccravens - Posted - 09/29/2010:  12:55:11

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Hey Steve,

Gotta hand it to you - that was a pretty slick trick that you pulled on me yesterday. Send me a PM calling me a name; then wait for me to respond angrily to your name-calling mail. Then send my angry response to Eric as an example of how I'm persecuting you, to try to get him to lock my account. Very clever.

Reminds me of elementary school recess. The first kid who would puch or mess with someone; when that someone would respond or hit back, the first kid would run to the teacher to complain that they were being picked on. And the second kid would get in trouble.

Gotta hand it to you - your tricks are getting better.

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Edited by - ccravens on 09/29/2010 13:55:58

ccravens - Posted - 09/29/2010:  14:07:18

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Originally posted by SLKmartin

I cant Imagine one of my on topic thread responces without a completely off topic hate message for cc. Ill not fight with you.The topic here is" I believe that the site should be Acoustic guitar Hang Out " If you have nothing to say on topic you should take the time to post a Hate message on the not related to the topic , Area. . .I will not fight with you.

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Pretty slick. Gotta hand it to you. Send me PM's calling me names, then come on to the message board for all to see and self-righteously claim "III [sic] not fight with you." Just like the elementary school kid I described above.

Everytime I reveal your tricks in a thread you refer to it as a "Hate message." No, that would be you PMing me and calling names. I know you don't like others knowing what you are like or do behind the scenes or in the past. But I haven't sent copies of your PM's to Eric to try to get you kicked off.

You don't have to like me, just stop PMing me and calling me names to bait me. Will you agree to at least do that much?

ccravens - Posted - 09/29/2010:  14:29:45

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Trolls are encouraged by responses. That is what they post for, to get responses.
If no one responds to a troll, then the troll will give up and move on.

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un5trung - Posted - 09/29/2010:  16:16:48

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I've written a bit about the model posed by Banjo Hangout, which has forums for different styles of play, etc. Another thing about the BHO is that it is big enough to have enough members from which to draw volunteer moderators who can quash squabbles like the one above. The mods help to keep the conversation on banjos, banjo music, banjo players, banjo banjo banjo, spam spam spam!

This site could use some moderators in order to keep the conversation tuned to guitars, but it's probably not big or busy enough to qualify for that kind of service.

montanaokie - Posted - 09/29/2010:  22:53:19

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I tihnk it shood be Acouctic Guitar Hang Out. Ill not fight with you. Ill not fight with you. Nany nany bo bo. Waaaah! I'm Telling.

This site doesn't need a moderator, it needs a diaper changer!

Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/30/2010:  09:08:10

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It wouldn't need a diaper change if several people didn't keep filling up the damn diaper - if you know what I mean
I am probably at fault for even responding...

Dono - Posted - 11/08/2010:  16:18:00

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Wow can hardly believe the variety of posts here. I play guitar thats it. But like to think I can keep up with anyone somehow at least in terms of jamming with them to some musical degree. I enjoy bluegrass a lot, would like to learm more of it, that why Im here.
There seems to be quite a few guitarist in here I think could do a bit of flatpicking as well although it's not their major.

I agree the title is unique, draws you in, and I've never felt more welcome. If Andy Griffith can keep up with the darlings, then as Denver Pyle says ok boys ...ana one ana two ana thee....... ... . .. . .. . .

As someone mentioned in this thread.. there are no restirctions in here. I 'm as green as 2 weeks in here and have started up a few topics, and joined in on other general guitar topics. Anyhow any guitarists that favor blues folk rock jazz want to add me feel free. I want to learn to flatpick too.

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Dono - Posted - 11/08/2010:  17:02:43

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Sorry guys, I didn't see the family fued going on in here before I posted. I would have left this one alone.
So as a guitarist it would be nice to see other is here to have more talk and feedback from. But I get enough of that crap from Facebook. I just wanna browse, post, and learn, If you don't like my stuff...to bad. I may not like your either.
If I do, I add them to my playlist and try and figure out what your doing. Aint that what we are all here for?
I dont really care how many stars i get on my profile, or likes. Just want to play like i'm on fire! My two cents

Stringsinger - Posted - 03/24/2012:  10:56:40

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Fingerpicking opens a can of worms. Singersongwhiner stuff, less trad and more acoustic "modrin"......I'd prefer to keep it "flatpick" that way it'll be traditional ot or bluegrass.
Electric changes the sound. It doesn't work with acoustic. They're two different animals.
Stay "flatpick" because there's so much there to cover whether Doc or Tony Rice or whoever. I don't care that there's more people involved if they're not on board with O.T. or Bluegrass.
If y'all are gonna' do that, well hell, bring in the classical guitarists as well.

I'm not reactionary about music generally and I enjoy crossover but there's so much detail to "flatpicking" that needs to be expressed, why muddy the waters even with Muddy Waters
who I like.

Steve D-18 - Posted - 04/14/2012:  07:00:18

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This is a good place to keep all the Flatpickers corraled so they dont start whining on BHO.

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Jim Yates - Posted - 04/14/2012:  17:33:10

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It would be great to leave it as the Flatpicker Hangout if it attracted more traffic, but it seems kind of slow lately.  If it would attract more traffic, I'd be all in favour of a change; however, if it would drive away the dyed in the wool flatpickers, it would be a shame.

ccravens - Posted - 04/14/2012:  21:38:27

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This is a good place to keep all the Flatpickers corraled so they dont start whining on BHO.

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Glad you think so highly of us "whining" flatpickers.

 

I was wondering how long it would take you to start insulting flatpickers again, "humble" Steve. 

Steve D-18 - Posted - 04/15/2012:  08:08:32

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It would be great to leave it as the Flatpicker Hangout if it attracted more traffic, but it seems kind of slow lately.  If it would attract more traffic, I'd be all in favour of a change; however, if it would drive away the dyed in the wool flatpickers, it would be a shame.

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   Maybe its time to try it and see Jim.    Thoes that would leave would be a tiny percent of the whole.                             .   Still I will stay even if its slow .    This is just my humble opinion

Steve D-18 - Posted - 04/15/2012:  08:11:16

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This is a good place to keep all the Flatpickers corraled so they dont start whining on BHO.

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Glad you think so highly of us "whining" flatpickers.

 

I was wondering how long it would take you to start insulting flatpickers again, "humble" Steve. 

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 Hello, Chris,  (Smile)

ccravens - Posted - 04/16/2012:  06:39:53

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Steve D-18 Says: Sunday, April 15, 2012 @10:41:00 PM Hello, Dono. Iam an outlaw here as I play All sorts of music , Elecrtic, folk, banjo old time ,etc. your"Melissa" is damn good and the lack of comments is a clue the the flat- picker's delema. they just cant stand anything that doesnt sound like " Whiskey Before Breakfast." Dont stop uploading cuz a few non musicians are trying to control the site cuz they can't control thier pick!!!!!!!!!!

 

Steve D-18 - Posted - 07/11/2012:  10:23:58

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Maybe ,I may have to kick up some dirt to get this site smoking again! I am writing a tongue in cheek tune called "Flatpickers Boogie".
Oh, I am so tempted......................humble Steve

Laurence Diehl - Posted - 07/12/2012:  11:25:36

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I am no longer interested in changing this site. It is what it is. I know that if I post something I can check back in 3 months and I might see a response. I got used to the buzz of activity on BHO - we are more on geologic time over here, but I don't think that changing the name or format is going to make any difference.

ccravens - Posted - 07/13/2012:  09:03:37

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Maybe ,I may have to kick up some dirt to get this site smoking again! I am writing a tongue in cheek tune called "Flatpickers Boogie".

Oh, I am so tempted......................humble Steve

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