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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Randall Collins help? (Back Home in Sulphur Springs Version)


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Randallcollins - Posted - 04/04/2020:  14:06:19


Hey guys!

I'm trying to lift Norman's amazing performance of "Randall Collins" off the BHISS album... The version where he plays it open in A-, but the guitar is dropped down a half step (making it Ab-).

Know there's already some tab/lessons/info on the other way he plays it (capo 3), like the live video on YouTube with the shadetop '33 (drool)... Checked those out, including the tab on this site, awesome!

However I haven't seen anyone cover/play it like he does on the album... Its an incredible arrangement, and I really think it suits the piece in a solo-performance setting.

My big question is, does anyone know how he plays the very first two measures?

The melody notes (in the key of A-) are E-E -D -C- A

The first E is a hammer on in the classic A- shape. The second E is a hammer-on, but it almost sounds like he lifts out of the A- chord shape and is leaving the E/B/G strings open? That or it's a C major shape?

But my big question is... How does he play the D-C-A melody notes?

It sounds like a slide, which would mean he jumped up to the 5th fret on the A string and played the D sliding down from the 6th fret... However, having to jump right back down to the A- chord shape feels pretty awkward. I can't get it to sound anything like the record.

Of course he also could of played the D open with an Eb pull off... But it really doesn't sound like a pull off to me, pretty sure it's a slide.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated... This has been driving me crazy!

Tony O Rourke - Posted - 04/04/2020:  16:00:09


As far as I can tell he's playing in G shapes on that record, and on my turntable it comes out as being in B which would be capo 4 using G shapes. I've got a variable speed turntable but I played some other recordings of fiddle tunes in D and they were in concert pitch, so B for Randall Collins would seem to be the key he recorded it, although I note that on the same LP he plays a version of Cattle In The Cane, an A tune, in Bb, so maybe the LP is a semitone higher than it was when recorded. He later paired it up with a Bb fiddle tune called Done Gone.

Randallcollins - Posted - 04/04/2020:  17:08:54


I’m relatively sure it’s in a dropped tuned A- shape.

I love the version you are referring to as well. Think it probably suited the string ensemble better in terms of range?

Here’s a link to the version I’m referring to:

youtu.be/MVB1kQHFqps

Randallcollins - Posted - 04/04/2020:  17:11:44


PS. I don’t mean to question you, I’m surely no flatpicking expert...

I just don’t see how this performance could be played in standard tuning... The one Randall Collins tutorial on YouTube refers to this recording as dropped tuned, and covers the standard G/E- version most seem to play.

I just LOVE the depth of sound and power of this particular performance... So deep!

Tony O Rourke - Posted - 04/04/2020:  17:29:16


I'm not sure what you mean by the term''dropped tune A shape''.

Tony O Rourke - Posted - 04/04/2020:  17:42:44


The other possibility is he could be tuned down a semitone and playing in C shapes. On the next track of that LP he plays Done Gone in A whereas on the linear notes he specifically mentions it's a tune ''usually played in Bb''. In later performances he played it in G/Capo 3 with Done Gone, specifically this one: youtube.com/watch?v=UEkVkJax2Co.

Randallcollins - Posted - 04/04/2020:  18:33:56


I mean A minor , sorry if “A-“ wasn’t clear.

C Major would be the major key.

I think we’re talking about the same shape, at least to my ears it’s gotta be tuned down a half step.

Randallcollins - Posted - 04/04/2020:  18:36:07


quote:

Originally posted by Tony O Rourke

The other possibility is he could be tuned down a semitone and playing in C shapes. On the next track of that LP he plays Done Gone in A whereas on the linear notes he specifically mentions it's a tune ''usually played in Bb''. In later performances he played it in G/Capo 3 with Done Gone, specifically this one: youtube.com/watch?v=UEkVkJax2Co.






Yes I think this is the case! 

RobertoDallaVecchia - Posted - 05/20/2020:  07:29:25


Hey Lou
I listened to the song, you are right the guitar is tuned down, no doubt.
That sounds like a pull-off to me, not a slide

Just my 2 cents
Roberto

68d28 - Posted - 06/10/2020:  05:58:13


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mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 12/19/2020:  22:16:53


Intro chords
tune down 1 fret
Am Am Am Am Am Am G G
Am Am Am D C G Am Am

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