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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Pick Slippage


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Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/05/2008:  04:48:01


I've just kind of inadvertently discovered that my pick is slowing me down. I'm satisfied with the thickness and texture (Fender Delrin Heavy, same as Blue 1mm Tortex), but I have a hard time keeping it oriented toward the strings. I play with a light touch and a light grip on the pick. So when I try to play harder to get a little more volume, there it goes. It slides around and I have to try to keep it turned around in the middle of playing.

I've heard of solutions like drilling the pick, or using "Gorilla Snot". Has it ever been a problem for you? How do you guys deal with it?

Chad

bluegrassgirl - Posted - 09/05/2008:  05:45:34


Gorilla snot does work....but..and dont' laugh...sometimes I just put it in my mouth and when it dries a bit it is tacky enough to help..

Yuletide - Posted - 09/05/2008:  06:03:30


You might try a Cool Picks cat tongue 1mm nylon pick. They have a really clinging grip even when held lightly and even when one's fingers are moist. I started using them (well, a slightly thinner version) this summer when playing outdoors in hot weather, even though I usually prefer a larger, triangular pick. Just a thought.

Yuletide Bob
New Glarus, WI

clayton_reck - Posted - 09/05/2008:  06:13:49


I have this same problem and have started using a nail file and scuffing both sides of the pick (both up and down, and left to right). This helps a bit, but sometimes still gives me trouble. A friend of mine swears by gorilla snot, but I've never used it.

Clayton

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/05/2008:  06:25:27


quote:
Originally posted by bluegrassgirl

Gorilla snot does work....but..and dont' laugh...sometimes I just put it in my mouth and when it dries a bit it is tacky enough to help..



That's exactly how I learned that a less slick pick helps. I noticed it slipping, so I just licked my fingers and let it get a little tacky. I could immediately play cleaner and faster without having to adjust mid-tune.

Chad

Breezecookie - Posted - 09/05/2008:  06:31:35


I've had this issue and all of the above work. What I also learned, though, was that I've been gripping the pick a little TOO loosely. I had a philosophy of holding it as lightly as I could without it falling out, and I could never generate a lot of volume when playing with others. A local guitar teacher told me "don't play harder, squeeze the pick more." Steve Kaufman confirmed this on FLATPICK-L and said not to let the pick flop around. It's especially helpful for more volume, but it's also improved my tone a whole lot; it's like I got a new guitar! If your pick is slipping or rotating, you might try a little more of a squeeze. Doc Watson said your right thumb is your volume control, and he's right.

David Parker
Shelby, NC

The Snapapple String Society: myspace.com/snapapplestringsociety ;
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Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/05/2008:  07:04:30


quote:
Originally posted by Breezecookie
I had a philosophy of holding it as lightly as I could without it falling out, and I could never generate a lot of volume when playing with others. A local guitar teacher told me "don't play harder, squeeze the pick more." Steve Kaufman confirmed this on FLATPICK-L and said not to let the pick flop around. It's especially helpful for more volume, but it's also improved my tone a whole lot; it's like I got a new guitar! If your pick is slipping or rotating, you might try a little more of a squeeze. Doc Watson said your right thumb is your volume control, and he's right.



My preference of heavier picks is because of "volume control" and such. Maybe I should grip it a little harder. Growing up and playing around the house and such I had to play a little softer so as to not bother anybody (my most popular request was "Down Yonder".. or maybe that wasn't a song request). Maybe I should just grow up and play a little more boldly/confidently? :)

Chad


Edited by - Chadtheguru on 09/05/2008 07:06:50

HD-28 Martin - Posted - 09/05/2008:  07:22:32


I drill a few 1/8" holes in near the center like a triangle shape and then sand the pick so it has a not so smooth finish, the holes have done the job, works good for me.

Big John

1993, HD28-Martin
1987, Gibson Earl Scruggs Standard

Bird Dog - Posted - 09/05/2008:  09:13:02


Gorilla Snot works; so does fiddle rosin (a little goes a long way). I also use heavy picks, 2mm. To me 1mm is medium.

Robin

Jim Yates - Posted - 09/05/2008:  10:02:26


I used to buy picks a dozen at a time and grab them, 4 at a time and drill four or five 16th" holes, similar to Big John. It worked well, but I've gotten lazy and it hasn't been a big problem lately.
A guitar player I used to play with used Gorilla Snot and I tried it. It works fine if you are only flat picking, but if you try finger-picking with Gorilla Snot on your fingers, it's uncomfortable.
The Gorilla Snot did make for some humerous stage patter though.

Jim
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Edited by - Jim Yates on 09/05/2008 10:31:31

seanray - Posted - 09/05/2008:  10:50:32


You may want to try different picks. I used to have a similar problem until I started using Tortis picks
redbeartrading.com
They're not cheap but they sound great and last a long time. I've been using the same three for over two years now. I prefer the "C" style Heavy's that look like these.



seanray.com

sweets pal - Posted - 09/05/2008:  11:05:29


lol. Never heard it called Gorilla Snot before but.... I used to find that spit did help.

Now that I'm playing louder and more assertively, I seem to just naturally hold the pick tighter. Also I went to a heavier pick, with the new playing.
Jan

Regards, Jan

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/05/2008:  11:34:32


quote:
Originally posted by sweets pal

Now that I'm playing louder and more assertively, I seem to just naturally hold the pick tighter. Also I went to a heavier pick, with the new playing.


Assertively. That's the word I was looking for. I'm gonna try to drill a few holes (as soon as I find my drill) in addition to playing a little more aggressively. If I don't see much difference I'll try the gorilla snot. Sounds fun anyway.

Chad

Old Martins - Posted - 09/05/2008:  16:16:32


I sometimes take a paper punch and put a hole right in the center of the pick. That seems to hold the larger triangular picks. I don't seem to have the problem of the smaller picks slipping.

Someone above said to use three holes. That would also be good..

Gaylord

phydeux - Posted - 09/05/2008:  17:37:28


Glue a little piece of sand paper on. (If it's good enough for Les Paul, it's good enough for me) ;)

It doesn''t get better unless you KEEP pickin'' it.

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/05/2008:  21:56:50


Okay, I found the drill.

I drilled some holes in sort of a W pattern: three on top, two on bottom. It seems to work better especially being conscious of assertiveness and grip. I did notice it slipping a time or two, but only when I was playing very softly (Lazy? It is 1am after all).

I appreciate all your input. It is nice to finally have a nice place where we can depend on each others' experience. Especially people like me who don't have anyone nearby to share with. Long live FPHO!

Chad

pastorharry - Posted - 09/05/2008:  22:28:58


Krazy glue REALLY grips!!

Isaiah 38:20

xnavyguy - Posted - 09/06/2008:  04:11:12


Double sided adhesive that body shops use to stick hardware emblems on cars. It's a bit tacky at first, but once it "wears in" it has a soft texture that helps keep the pick from moving around, even if gripped lightly. I had also planned to mention Krazy glue but pastorharry beat me to it.

Jerry

Bonnie - Posted - 09/06/2008:  06:52:10


Seanray, those picks look really nice!! And might I ask, what kind of guitar is that in your avatar? I saw someone with the same emblem but I didn't find out what it was. Sounded great.

I dropped a pick the other day mid song but I was just accompanying myself singing so I was able to make do with my fingers. I wonder how many people in the audience noticed...lol.

I play onstage with a Wegen, which has slight ridges in it from being made, but I almost find that a very glossy pick, such as the clear Jim Dunlop picks stick to my fingers better.


Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/06/2008:  08:02:25


The emblem is SCGC. Santa Cruz Guitar Company. Tony played one of those for a while. It had a HUGE soundhole.

Chad

Bird Dog - Posted - 09/07/2008:  20:54:41


quote:
Originally posted by Chadtheguru

The emblem is SCGC. Santa Cruz Guitar Company. Tony played one of those for a while. It had a HUGE soundhole.

Chad


The soundhole is copied from the enlarged one in Tony Rice's/Clarence White's Martin. Martin and I think Collins now make guitars with that option too.

Robin

Bird Dog - Posted - 09/07/2008:  20:55:51


quote:
Originally posted by sweets pal

lol. Never heard it called Gorilla Snot before but.... I used to find that spit did help.

Now that I'm playing louder and more assertively, I seem to just naturally hold the pick tighter. Also I went to a heavier pick, with the new playing.
Jan

Regards, Jan


Gorilla Snot is a brand name. I had a Gorilla Snot t-shirt once - wonderfully disgusting. There is some other brand which is essentially the same stuff but I forget the name.

Robin

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/07/2008:  21:17:29


Here you go!
elderly.com/accessories/items/G17.htm
And about half the price.

Chad

seanray - Posted - 09/08/2008:  06:59:18


Yeah that's my Santa Cruz Tony Rice model in my avatar.
When Tony isn't playing "The Bone" he's sure to have a Santa Cruz in his hands.





seanray.com

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/08/2008:  08:40:31


Awesome pics. Thanks :)

Chad

Stefan - Posted - 09/10/2008:  02:36:01


I like Wegen Bluegrass picks very much. They have a great grip and sounds awesome!

Brian T - Posted - 09/14/2008:  09:38:18


I just ordered a variety of picks, strings, etc. from a serious guitar store, run by some luthier-type guys. Their advice was to stay away from Gorilla Snot: makes an un-cleanable mess. Their advice: drill a bunch of 1/8" holes in the pick body and do not remove the burrs around the holes.

"Keep Your Eyes On The Horizon" (K.T. Oslin)

Chadtheguru - Posted - 09/14/2008:  18:34:21


Cool. That's what I wound up doing, but I removed the burrs. Well, not the burrs, just the part that was hanging off, so I guess that doesn't count.

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