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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Crosspicking Preference? (with video demo)


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musekatcher - Posted - 09/02/2008:  21:34:46


So who likes DDU, and who likes DUD?

Here's a short clip of Rosewood Casket in C. I really don't know when I'm DDU-ing or DUD-ing. I had a video of my picking hand, but it was a blur, so I removed it.

flatpickerhangout.com/myhangou...D=&id=556

Jim Holland
Athens, AL


Edited by - musekatcher on 09/06/2008 22:57:11

musekatcher - Posted - 09/02/2008:  21:35:46


And here's part 2, showing the fingering hand:

flatpickerhangout.com/myhangou...D=&id=556

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

HD28 - Posted - 09/02/2008:  22:12:43


I use the DDU crosspicking or "Shuffler" style picking after George Shuffler. there is a great video of George and James A. Shelton doing a lesson on various Stanley Style tunes.
Just sounds right to my ears.

"I Pick a HD-28 99.999999% of the time."

musekatcher - Posted - 09/03/2008:  09:53:44


I agree, Shuffler sounds good to my ears too. Something tells me he would sound about as good if he did DUD. There's just nothing like well-spent years to reach the top.

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

Jim Yates - Posted - 09/03/2008:  10:21:38


I use the DUD, or strict down on the beat and up off the beat as does Dan Crary.

Jim
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bryankimsey - Posted - 09/03/2008:  13:42:54


quote:
Originally posted by musekatcher

Something tells me he would sound about as good if he did DUD.



George has some firm opinions about pick direction and they involve DDU.


I use DDU when I want that sound and DUDU when I want that sound.

musekatcher - Posted - 09/03/2008:  14:07:39


quote:
Originally posted by bryankimsey

quote:
Originally posted by musekatcher

Something tells me he would sound about as good if he did DUD.



George has some firm opinions about pick direction and they involve DDU.





Oh I meant it as a large compliment, not as a challenge to which is better. I'm a crummy crosspicker, so I'm not even qualified to contribute. But his general comfort with the instrument, his tone and attack are such, that I think he would be successful at most any technique, if he wanted.

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

mike - Posted - 09/03/2008:  14:32:22


I love the george quote that if you dont do DDU "you got no way out". :-)
I am just learning crosspicking, but my feeling so far is its good to be able to do variations on the pick direction. I started with DUD because I think its easier for a beginner to have this alternating up/down movement regardless of the string being picked. DDU forces you to 'know where you are' a bit more, imo. When you're better that can actually be more useful. Recently I've also been trying playing the last of the downbeat 'bass string' picks (in a measure) on a string lower than the others.. for example:
DUDUDUDU
4 3 2 4 3 2 5 2
I find this much harder to do when doing DDU, but thats just a practice issue. A while back I asked a very good crosspicker about suggestions for learning, he also mentioned the backward roll-like DUU approach (I think this may be more common on mandolins, though I dont know). When I practice I usually do a measure of DDU followed by a measure of DUD and alternate that with normal boom-chicks when I get tired.


Edited by - mike on 09/03/2008 14:34:26

Bird Dog - Posted - 09/03/2008:  16:06:41


I do pretty much DUDU etc. I find it easier to keep that pattern going, although of course I throw in variations, extra notes, etc.

Robin

seanray - Posted - 09/04/2008:  12:12:45


No mention of DUU ala Jesse McReynolds? I use that as much as DUD and very rarely do I use DDU.

Anyway you slice it they all get the job done.


seanray.com

Old Martins - Posted - 09/05/2008:  18:55:42


I've been doing DDU DDU DU for a long time to get 8 beats per measure. Some people I know used to call that "McReynolds Picking " after Jesse McReynolds' mandolin style but I never analyzed it to find out.

I just know it sounds nice. It's easy to vary and also easy to change up to other styles for variety.


Gaylord

Rolfomatic - Posted - 09/06/2008:  10:10:20


Does anyone have any good tabs for DDU DDU DU patterns and/or songs to share?

Rolfomatic

twangtown - Posted - 09/06/2008:  19:13:31


DUU for me...

"Live and learn...die and forget it all"

OldD18 - Posted - 09/06/2008:  22:05:19


I like the idea of being able to do both patterns equally well....fundamentals. And then go creative...start mixing patters, striking multiple strings in 1 stroke, using strange string selection and direction movements....etc. As distinctive as Tony Rice's style and tone are...his crosspicking technique is one-of-a-kind....and totally cool. Church Street Blues is my favorite example of his crosspicking style.

Of course, if I knew my death would be coming tonight, you can bet some George Shuffler crosspicking would get a listen this afternoon....

regards, bud

musekatcher - Posted - 09/06/2008:  22:12:51


quote:
Originally posted by OldD18



As distinctive as Tony Rice's style and tone are...his crosspicking technique is one-of-a-kind....and totally cool. Church Street Blues is my favorite example of his crosspicking style.




I agree, I found covering his version to be evasive. Of course, I need to buckle down sometime and actually sort out what I'm doing, learn some DDU and DUU patterns, and make sense of it.

Jim Holland
Athens, AL

musekatcher - Posted - 09/06/2008:  22:49:33


I just saw this video in the lessons section, and I think this guy is doing all downs DDDD on forward rolls, and UUUU on backward rolls!

flatpickerhangout.com/myhangou...sp?id=437



Jim Holland
Athens, AL

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