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brewboy - Posted - 01/14/2009:  14:32:43


Anybody get a chance to try these? I have one coming in the mail.
jbguitarpicks.com/

myspace.com/canneryrowband

bbarkow - Posted - 01/15/2009:  07:33:55


Those look interesting. Hope you'll post a review!

chris007007 - Posted - 06/07/2009:  18:05:37


I got the 3 in 1 Tri Picks 1.5mm & 1.2mm, it has a good grip and tone, I really like it, and its half the price of a red bear. You can't go wrong with that.


Edited by - chris007007 on 06/10/2009 03:41:59

MartinA - Posted - 06/12/2009:  22:38:51


I don't think I'll ever use anything other than my yellow dunlops!

martinacousticguitars.com

Red Bear Trading Co - Posted - 06/27/2009:  11:06:50


Monica Skowron here with Red Bear Trading Co - we make the Original New Tortis picks. Chris007007 is JB Guitar picks and is pretending to post reviews. He's a con and has copied our text verbatim on his site. He bought picks from us about a year ago and our pick kit and has tried to make knock off copies of them. Beware they are just plastic and worthless.

Just to let everyone know, we do have a new line of picks called Tuff Tones in all the same styles and options.

Chris,,,or I mean John - imitation is the best form of flattery but you've broken copy right and trademark laws. We're pretty proud of our picks and stand behind our product. We have contact info on our site, where is yours?

HuntleySlim - Posted - 06/27/2009:  12:45:47


quote:
Tortoise Picks For Flat-Pick-In

This would have thrown me off the website. The spelling is atrocious.

Won't make many friends that way, man....

Red Bear Trading Co - Posted - 06/27/2009:  17:33:28


John of JB Guitar Picks has agreed to take our copyright information off of his site and stop using our terms and descriptions.

No hard feelings John and good luck!

Monica & Dave

g.macdonnell - Posted - 06/30/2009:  19:21:50


I got to try one of these picks out with a few friends the other night. I was hangin' out with 2 mandolin pickers, and 2 guitarists, (guitar's my instrument, too,) and between us we had just about all the "high-end" picks around:

*Red Bears, (Everyone had at least 1 of these,)
*V-Picks, [accidentally called "ice Pix" earlier] (the other 2 guitarists had them)
*Blue Chips, (1 guitarist and 1 mandolin player had them,)
*Wegen, (3 of us had them)
*Antique Tortoise, (I still have 1, and a mandolin player had another.)
and the new J.B. Picks, (1 guitarist had a couple.)


To be perfectly honest, I thought that the J.B. pick was decent enough, comparable to a D'Andrea Pro Plec, but at $10, was a total and complete rip-off.
If some players love them, then that's great: keep using them! But don't for a second think they're comparable to either genuine tortoise or Red Bear picks.

But in comparison to the other picks, they just didn't cut it. They look, feel, and sound a lot like D'Andrea Pro Plecs, which are fine picks, but usually about $1 or so. They do have a bevel, but it's not anywhere as nice as on the other picks, (esp. the Red Bear, , Blue Chip and the Wegen.)

And as far as sound? Well, the Red Bears match the high-end sweetness, and harmonic richness of tortoise. Those two stood out for having the sweetest sound, as well as the most "transparency." Each instrument sounded just like it truly should, with nothing "extra' added. They had that nice pick sound, but not anything too obvious.

The Wegens are nice, but not as rich, clear or loud as the Red Bear and Tortise. It's more of a "vanilla" sound, but they feel nice and are real well made.

The Blue Chips were loud, like the Red Bears and tortoise picks. Definitely they were much louder than the Ice Pix and J.B. But they had a fairly harsh high-end, and a very strong attack to the note. To me, it was a bit unpleasant and bright. I can see some players really liking it though, and it certainly was a nicely made pick that should last.


The J.B.'s? Well, they weren't very satisfying after playing the other picks. They really seem a lot like D'Andrea's that just look more like Red Bears. They have that dull "thunk" you get with plastic picks, and get pretty mushy as far as the clarity is concerned. The bevel is ok, but not very fast like the Red Bears and Wegens, and the feel is very "plastic."

Overall, for richness of tone, loud volume, and great feel and speed, the tortoise and Red Bear picks easily came out on top. In my mind, (I play for a living so my gear gets a good workout each day,) the extra toughness and resilience of the Red Bears, (not to mention their lower prices,) make them the best choice, by far.

Other players might feel differently, which is as it should be: we're all different. But to me, the J.B. picks seemed much less worth the money than the other picks, (including the all-around very good Ice Pix, which are an improvement over standard picks.)

After comparing all those picks, and having spent years searching for a true alternative to genuine tortoise picks, I'm sticking with Red Bears. They are absolutely the ultimate combination of quality, tone, feel and value.

The results of the comparisons that night were pretty obvious, and unanimous.

For tone, volume, feel and speed we all ranked the picks:

1.(Tie) Tortoise Shell/Red Bear - almost impossible to tell the difference in sound. Red Bears definitely have a better "grip" to them while playing, though.
2. Wegen- Lacks the nice overtones of the tortoise/Red Bear, but a nicely made pick, with a good all-around sound.
3. Blue Chip- A nicely made pick, with a great feel. But a fairly harsh, bright sound. I can see some players loving this though, esp. for darker instruments, or cutting through a mix. Personally, me and the other pickers that night didn't care for it compared to the others.
4. V PIcks- Nice feel and shape. For a less expensive pick, it's nice, and probably a great electric pick. Because of the bevel, it had a slightly strange "chirp" but overall, a good, clear sound.
5. J.B.- On it's own, the JB is a decent enough pick. Sort of like a Pro Plec with some beveling. But the bevel isn't cut, (molded?) at the right angle for a fast attack and clean sound. And the tone is fairly dull and very plastic. Compared with the other picks, it really falls short. At $10, it seems like a bit of a scam, especially considering how they so obviously copied the Red Bear website.


Bottom Line: Tortoise shell picks sound great, but cost a small fortune. You also can't discount the fact that they're only becoming more rare, and that the practice is very cruel to the animal. (I'm not a PETA kinda guy, but I was raised on or near farms and care about that.)

Tortoise also is fairly brittle and needs a lot of TLC. In comparison, Red Bear Tortis sounds indistinguishable from genuine tortoise, and has a much better grip. The picking edge hardly ever wears, and with some minimal care, they'll last you a very, very long time. (I play for a living, 8-10 hours a day, or more, and have been using my Red Bears for years without needing to replace them. I've only just ordered some extras, since 1 got stolen.)

What works best for you may differ, so I'd really suggest getting out there and trying all the picks you can: it'll only make you appreciate the Red Bears even more, ;)

Just keep on pickin'' and everything will work out fine!


Edited by - g.macdonnell on 07/02/2009 22:11:31

jbguitarpicks - Posted - 07/02/2009:  17:10:37



This is getting way out of hand. Let me start by saying, my sincere apologies to Dave and Monica for using some of their terms describing picks, Iím sorry and I was wrong, there was no harm intended.

But trying to start a witch hunt or lynching and bashing my website is ridiculous and spreading lies is unnecessary. Informing people to be careful about their credit card information being unsafe and my site being a fraud is totally Nuts.

Every one of my customers knows that Iím not a thief and I try to accommodate their needs. You have to be blind if you canít see or tell the difference between my picks and the other picks. I never advertised my web site as selling Red Bear picks or being affiliated with Red Bear. It is very clear when you go on my website that Red Bear is never mentioned or associated with. I have been e-mailed numerous times with people asking me if my picks were similar to Red Bear or Blue Chip and my answer was always and will remain no. I spoke with Dave and I was man enough to admit that I was wrong and that it was unintentional. I told him I would make changes to my website and I kept my word. Iím not trying to make excuses but it really was unintentional.

The crazy part about this whole thing is that most if not all of these negative posts are from people who havenít purchased my product. I would also like to comment about the gentleman who posted that my pick is like a Pro Plec with some beveling. The pick that the gentleman is referring to isnít beveled for speed. It is a standard pick that I sell for a cheaper price. I sell the standard picks with no angle bevel 6 for 5$. And I agree that 10$ is a complete rip off which is why I sell 6 for 5$ which comes out to less than a dollar each pick.

Also all my picks are hand beveled. I bevel all of them myself. The reason why I do not have my contact information on my site is because I am doing this as a hobbie. This is not my main business or form of income. I do this because I enjoy it. If someone emails me for information I gladly give them my number so I can answer their questions.

Thank you,
JB


JB Guitar Picks

HuntleySlim - Posted - 07/03/2009:  06:26:12


quote:
Originally posted by g.macdonnell

3. Blue Chip- A nicely made pick, with a great feel. But a fairly harsh, bright sound. I can see some players loving this though, esp. for darker instruments, or cutting through a mix. Personally, me and the other pickers that night didn't care for it compared to the others.


Just out of curiosity, did you have different shapes of Blue Chips? I play the large rounded pick, mainly because I find the standard shape too sharp if you pick with the pointy end. I haven't had the chance to try a Red Bear, but I love my Blue Chip like nothing else.

g.macdonnell - Posted - 07/04/2009:  07:12:01


quote:
Originally posted by HuntleySlim

quote:
Originally posted by g.macdonnell

3. Blue Chip- A nicely made pick, with a great feel. But a fairly harsh, bright sound. I can see some players loving this though, esp. for darker instruments, or cutting through a mix. Personally, me and the other pickers that night didn't care for it compared to the others.


Just out of curiosity, did you have different shapes of Blue Chips? I play the large rounded pick, mainly because I find the standard shape too sharp if you pick with the pointy end. I haven't had the chance to try a Red Bear, but I love my Blue Chip like nothing else.





No, both players had what would be a style "C" ,( lg. triangle,) in Red Bear's terminology, not sure what Blue Chip calls it.

They seemed like really nicely made picks: the tone didn't work well with my guitar, (too bright,) but I could see it fitting some instruments really well. The feel was certainly great.

Chris Thile, whose got a great tone, loves the Blue Chips, as do many others.

Personally, I prefer the Red Bear over everything else, but I do believe each player and instrument probably has a material that will bring out their best.

My guitars and playing seem to prefer Red Bears. ;)

Just keep on pickin'' and everything will work out fine!

HuntleySlim - Posted - 07/04/2009:  09:12:23


You've piqued my interest enough that I'm probably going to order a Red Bear just so I can hear it for myself. Thanks for the review.

bbarkow - Posted - 07/04/2009:  17:31:35


JB - Is your site back up? I played what I think was one of your picks at a jam a couple of weeks ago, and liked it a lot. IMHO, it compared very favorably to my Blue Chip - yours (I think it was yours) sounded much more like a natural tortoise pick than the Blue Chip does.

Want to take a look at your site and see if that was indeed what I played. I tried to open your site, but it acts like it doesn't want to load all the way. Thanks.

rlouie - Posted - 11/02/2009:  17:23:25


well I just received a JB 1.00mm pick and I have to say I am not that impressed with it. Feels like a cheap plastic pick that you can buy for 50 cents at your local shop.....................folks if you want the sound and feel of a Red Bear, buy the real deal from Dave & Monica.


Edited by - rlouie on 11/02/2009 18:26:37

JoeSndrs46 - Posted - 01/02/2010:  02:12:50


I have a box of picks by my bed..there must be at leat 400-500 picks in it..all sizes and colors and types. I even ordered an ivory pick once...then I bought 2 Red Bear picks. I only use those now. They just sound better on my guitar. I have no idea why. quote]Originally posted by g.macdonnell

I got to try one of these picks out with a few friends the other night. I was hangin' out with 2 mandolin pickers, and 2 guitarists, (guitar's my instrument, too,) and between us we had just about all the "high-end" picks around:

*Red Bears, (Everyone had at least 1 of these,)
*V-Picks, [accidentally called "ice Pix" earlier] (the other 2 guitarists had them)
*Blue Chips, (1 guitarist and 1 mandolin player had them,)
*Wegen, (3 of us had them)
*Antique Tortoise, (I still have 1, and a mandolin player had another.)
and the new J.B. Picks, (1 guitarist had a couple.)


To be perfectly honest, I thought that the J.B. pick was decent enough, comparable to a D'Andrea Pro Plec, but at $10, was a total and complete rip-off.
If some players love them, then that's great: keep using them! But don't for a second think they're comparable to either genuine tortoise or Red Bear picks.

But in comparison to the other picks, they just didn't cut it. They look, feel, and sound a lot like D'Andrea Pro Plecs, which are fine picks, but usually about $1 or so. They do have a bevel, but it's not anywhere as nice as on the other picks, (esp. the Red Bear, , Blue Chip and the Wegen.)

And as far as sound? Well, the Red Bears match the high-end sweetness, and harmonic richness of tortoise. Those two stood out for having the sweetest sound, as well as the most "transparency." Each instrument sounded just like it truly should, with nothing "extra' added. They had that nice pick sound, but not anything too obvious.

The Wegens are nice, but not as rich, clear or loud as the Red Bear and Tortise. It's more of a "vanilla" sound, but they feel nice and are real well made.

The Blue Chips were loud, like the Red Bears and tortoise picks. Definitely they were much louder than the Ice Pix and J.B. But they had a fairly harsh high-end, and a very strong attack to the note. To me, it was a bit unpleasant and bright. I can see some players really liking it though, and it certainly was a nicely made pick that should last.


The J.B.'s? Well, they weren't very satisfying after playing the other picks. They really seem a lot like D'Andrea's that just look more like Red Bears. They have that dull "thunk" you get with plastic picks, and get pretty mushy as far as the clarity is concerned. The bevel is ok, but not very fast like the Red Bears and Wegens, and the feel is very "plastic."

Overall, for richness of tone, loud volume, and great feel and speed, the tortoise and Red Bear picks easily came out on top. In my mind, (I play for a living so my gear gets a good workout each day,) the extra toughness and resilience of the Red Bears, (not to mention their lower prices,) make them the best choice, by far.

Other players might feel differently, which is as it should be: we're all different. But to me, the J.B. picks seemed much less worth the money than the other picks, (including the all-around very good Ice Pix, which are an improvement over standard picks.)

After comparing all those picks, and having spent years searching for a true alternative to genuine tortoise picks, I'm sticking with Red Bears. They are absolutely the ultimate combination of quality, tone, feel and value.

The results of the comparisons that night were pretty obvious, and unanimous.

For tone, volume, feel and speed we all ranked the picks:

1.(Tie) Tortoise Shell/Red Bear - almost impossible to tell the difference in sound. Red Bears definitely have a better "grip" to them while playing, though.
2. Wegen- Lacks the nice overtones of the tortoise/Red Bear, but a nicely made pick, with a good all-around sound.
3. Blue Chip- A nicely made pick, with a great feel. But a fairly harsh, bright sound. I can see some players loving this though, esp. for darker instruments, or cutting through a mix. Personally, me and the other pickers that night didn't care for it compared to the others.
4. V PIcks- Nice feel and shape. For a less expensive pick, it's nice, and probably a great electric pick. Because of the bevel, it had a slightly strange "chirp" but overall, a good, clear sound.
5. J.B.- On it's own, the JB is a decent enough pick. Sort of like a Pro Plec with some beveling. But the bevel isn't cut, (molded?) at the right angle for a fast attack and clean sound. And the tone is fairly dull and very plastic. Compared with the other picks, it really falls short. At $10, it seems like a bit of a scam, especially considering how they so obviously copied the Red Bear website.


Bottom Line: Tortoise shell picks sound great, but cost a small fortune. You also can't discount the fact that they're only becoming more rare, and that the practice is very cruel to the animal. (I'm not a PETA kinda guy, but I was raised on or near farms and care about that.)

Tortoise also is fairly brittle and needs a lot of TLC. In comparison, Red Bear Tortis sounds indistinguishable from genuine tortoise, and has a much better grip. The picking edge hardly ever wears, and with some minimal care, they'll last you a very, very long time. (I play for a living, 8-10 hours a day, or more, and have been using my Red Bears for years without needing to replace them. I've only just ordered some extras, since 1 got stolen.)

What works best for you may differ, so I'd really suggest getting out there and trying all the picks you can: it'll only make you appreciate the Red Bears even more, ;)

Just keep on pickin'' and everything will work out fine!
[/quote]


Edited by - JoeSndrs46 on 01/02/2010 02:16:16

ccravens - Posted - 01/03/2010:  14:59:30


Thanks for the excellent reviews and subtle warnings, everyone. My PAS would've probably gotten the better of me, and I would've ordered some of the JB's. Every sound is subjective, but on my guitars (leaving out genuine TS) I would rank my faves as:

1. Bluechip/Red Bear - tie, depending on which guitar I'm using
2. Wegen

For mando, it's: 1. Bluechip 2. Wegen

Thanks for the info.

jbguitarpicks - Posted - 11/02/2010:  00:52:33


JB Guitar Picks

To whom it may concern:

My name is Dale Pierce. A few days ago I ordered a narrow shell and a special request for a narrow tip for all three sides of a three in one. I received my order today and was shocked to see all of the extra items included. I have to tell you that I have used and ordered from everyone- V-picks, Red Bear, Blue Chip, Wegen, and everything in between. In my initial inquiry I had mentioned that I had read about a scuff with Red Bear and that I didn't believe that there was anything malicious in regards to JB Picks. I had been to your site, read the reviews as well as other sites reviews regarding your service and product. I love to see the entrepreneur spirit, especially when it comes to guitar picks. Thank you so very much for the additional picks and pick kit. I was certainly not expecting anything extra.

Now to the picks. As I mentioned I have ordered and used every boutique pick in the industry. Red Bear is the only company that gets repeat business from me. Dave and Monica have an excellent product. All of the others are just hype. Tone, texture, release and playability are what are important to me. First let me tell you that your picks are Stunning. Absolutely beautiful works of art! Without a doubt the best looking guitar picks I have ever seen or put my hands on. But what's even better is the celluloid quality. It has a beautiful warm rich tone without being dull and dark as with most everything out there these days that claims to be high quality celluloid. I love a really good celluloid pick and JB picks are the best I have ever come across.

So, in closing I have to just say that your generosity, quick service, and superior quality product have just gotten you a loyal new customer. And being an old marketing guy myself you need to take this as a serious compliment.

You'll hear from me again soonÖÖ..

Dale from Texas

wvbluegrasser - Posted - 04/03/2011:  20:47:18


quote:
Monica Skowron here with Red Bear Trading Co - we make the Original New Tortis picks. Chris007007 is JB Guitar picks and is pretending to post reviews. He's a con and has copied our text verbatim on his site. He bought picks from us about a year ago and our pick kit and has tried to make knock off copies of them. Beware they are just plastic and worthless.

Just to let everyone know, we do have a new line of picks called Tuff Tones in all the same styles and options.

Chris,,,or I mean John - imitation is the best form of flattery but you've broken copy right and trademark laws. We're pretty proud of our picks and stand behind our product. We have contact info on our site, where is yours?



You know Monica you speak of copyright/trademark laws while you youself could face a lawsuit for calling this man a con. Just a thought. Read on:

What is Defamation of Character?Most people think of personal injury as a physical injury caused by another party. Not all personal injury causes physical harm. There is a form of personal injury that does no physical harm, but can be extremely harmful to a personís reputation (or "character"). That form of personal injury is called "defamation," which is sometimes known as "defamation of character."

What is defamation?

Defamation is false and unprivileged spoken words or written publication, which exposes any living person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or which causes him/her to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him/her in his/her trade or occupation.

For example, if a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed.

What are the elements of a defamation claim?

1.a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2.a false statement of fact;
3.that is understood as
ēbeing of and concerning the plaintiff; and
ētending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
4.If the plaintiff is a public figure, he or she must also prove actual malice.


Edited by - wvbluegrasser on 04/03/2011 20:48:34



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